Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

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Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 26th, 2017, 8:13 am

Good Morning.
Recently discovered this forum and am so looking forward to seeing what our lawn can look like by following the Bermuda Bible. So here we go!

Front area grass is Tifway 419.
Back area grass is Saint Augustine

Soil test taken at 4 inches.
I took six zone areas samples as the lawn has different appearance quality... I would say on a scale of 1 - 10...
Right Street = 8 (turf quality... a few thin spots but good color)
Right Front = 6 (a few dead areas but other areas look good)
Center Street = 8 (turf quality... a few thin spots but good color)
Left Street = 10 (turf quality...dense and good color)
Left Front = 4 (several dead areas are just starting to recover)
Back Yard = 3 (had a fungus which wiped out most of the lawn... just starting to recover)


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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 26th, 2017, 8:50 am

Also... Here is a top view of the property and the Six Areas tested.

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by micvog » April 26th, 2017, 1:38 pm

Did you request "Ammonium Acetate extraction of cations"?

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 26th, 2017, 2:26 pm

I did not but have reached out to Logan Labs to see if they can run it.

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by andy10917 » April 26th, 2017, 2:54 pm

Something's wrong - sit tight


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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by andy10917 » April 26th, 2017, 3:10 pm

Those results are bizarre, and the reason is that you asked for the results to be reported in lbs/K rather than lbs/acre.

That all said, those results are going to need to be run with Ammonium Acetate extraction of the cations. Call Logan now and ask for Susan - I put in a call for you (first time I've spoken to them this year!).

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 26th, 2017, 5:51 pm

Andy,
Spoke with Susan as well (thank you for calling her earlier). The additional test results should be available tomorrow.

In the meantime, here is the report /acre per your request.
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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 27th, 2017, 12:35 am

Just realized that the back yard test at lbs / acre did not upload... Attaching.

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 27th, 2017, 6:05 pm

Hello Andy,
Susan just emailed the updated soil test with Ammonium Acetate Extraction of Cations as you requested.
Here are the new reports.
I look forward to your advice so that I can start the work this weekend. Also, I am not concerned about an intensive process vs a simple route. Only challenge we face is an under turf drip system which keeps us from aerating the turf.
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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 28th, 2017, 5:33 pm

andy10917 wrote:
April 26th, 2017, 3:10 pm
Those results are bizarre, and the reason is that you asked for the results to be reported in lbs/K rather than lbs/acre.

That all said, those results are going to need to be run with Ammonium Acetate extraction of the cations. Call Logan now and ask for Susan - I put in a call for you (first time I've spoken to them this year!).

Hello Andy,
Just confirming you saw my updated post with the new Soil Analysis results from Susan at Logan.
Please let me know if you need any additional information. Happy to provide.
Ed

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by andy10917 » April 28th, 2017, 7:41 pm

Yup. If you check the Queue, you'll see that you're at the top of the line. I tend to get maybe 4 or so of them done in an evening.

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 28th, 2017, 8:00 pm

No problem. Thank you.

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by andy10917 » April 28th, 2017, 8:15 pm

I am not concerned about an intensive process vs a simple route.
I started but got caught up on this statement. Does this mean that you want a simple plan? With 6 different sets of results, I'm use to people that want to manage down to the square inch!!

So what is it: simple, or advanced?

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 28th, 2017, 8:24 pm

No issue with detail. Am willing to follow your advice to the 1/2 inch if that's what it takes.

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by andy10917 » April 28th, 2017, 9:07 pm

Even with the AA test putting a muzzle on the Calcium, it continues to scream and to distort the other values. And the problem is that there are so much Calcium sitting on the sideline waiting for an opportunity that the piddling attempts to change things will never matter.

Here are the only things that I can see clearly:

Right
Medium Loam holding a lot of nutrients, almost all Calcium
Phosphorus is fine
I'd use a simple Nitrogen regimen of 1 lb/K per month

Center and Left
Medium Loam, overwhelmed by Calcium
Could use a good Starter fertilizer where the N and P numbers are close - pick one and post the NPK

Back
Medium Loam holding a lot of nutrients, almost all Calcium
Phosphorus is at very high levels
I'd use a simple Nitrogen regimen of 1 lb/K per month

I think that these soils could support a nice Bermuda lawn. I have no idea how St Aug would respond to the numbers. Overall, this is a stumper with very high numbers popping up all over the place. I'd stick with simple regimens for this scenario...

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 28th, 2017, 9:39 pm

Thanks Andy. Is there any way to reduce the calcium?

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 28th, 2017, 9:48 pm

EdandShelley wrote:
April 28th, 2017, 9:39 pm
Thanks Andy. Is there any way to reduce the calcium?
Andy... is there an issue with the Ph being too high?

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by andy10917 » April 28th, 2017, 9:53 pm

In the tens of thousands of lbs levels that you have? No, not at all. See the huge differences in the lbs of Calcium between the AA and the regular tests? That's Calcium just waiting for a place to go in your soil...

Andy... is there an issue with the Ph being too high?
The exact opposite is true -- the pH is too high because there is too much Calcium. Even if we removed 10,000 lbs of Calcium, there is so much that the pH would remain high.

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by EdandShelley » April 28th, 2017, 10:23 pm

Ok. Thanks. I'm going to ask the lawn company we terminated due to poor results and see if they treated the lawn before we discontinued.

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Re: Dolanski Soil Test - April 2017

Post by andy10917 » April 28th, 2017, 10:26 pm

Treated with What?

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