KBGKA rear yard reno

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KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by KBGkicksazz » May 5th, 2019, 3:52 pm

Rear yard got torn up last fall when the fire pit got installed. About 2400 sq ft. The grass that’s there was KBG but I hit it with RU.

Only have irrigation in front and side yards so made makeshift irrigation system so no need to move hoses during the germination period.

Midnight, blueberry, and Award for blend.

Using the Pennington seeding mats to protect from washouts and sprayed Tenacity just before I put seed down. I drove over seed with lawn tractor after lightly wetting it rather than rent a lawn roller.

Day 0 and the fun begins.


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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » May 5th, 2019, 4:00 pm

Good luck! Nice blend!

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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by KBGkicksazz » May 16th, 2019, 8:11 am

Day 11 and not a single blade of grass has germinated.

Very tempting to hedge and put down a little more seed.
Yeah or neah?

It’s been very wet and rainy.


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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by northeastlawn » May 16th, 2019, 8:30 am

Part of the reason for seeding in August is that you know the soil is correct temperature for germination. You can't expect seeding in the spring to approach the soil temp's in August. KBG is like a 21-30 day germination in August. In spring when its wet and cold, add a few weeks onto that.

My KBG lawn in Mass greened up quickly, even started growing fast, but as soon as all that rain and cold weather hit, top growth really slowed down. I suspect seed germination would also slow down.

I just started playing around with the seeding blankets; they work, but it's harder to see what's happening under neath them.

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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by KBGkicksazz » May 17th, 2019, 9:09 am

Practical reasons why I need to get lawn w established.
We have been 10-20 degree below avg for May. That shipped has sailed.

The quandary I have is how long to wait as I’m not seeing even a single piece of fuzz at this point.

The timing for a tenacity app makes me wonder if I could use a second app now since nothing has emerged as the longer germination time means any weeds not killed by the RU or tenacity that was put down will get a head start.

I’d have expected at least some fuzz somewhere by now.

We’ve had so much rain and cooler weather it’s thrown off the whole reno timing for me.
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May 16th, 2019, 8:30 am
Part of the reason for seeding in August is that you know the soil is correct temperature for germination. You can't expect seeding in the spring to approach the soil temp's in August. KBG is like a 21-30 day germination in August. In spring when its wet and cold, add a few weeks onto that.

My KBG lawn in Mass greened up quickly, even started growing fast, but as soon as all that rain and cold weather hit, top growth really slowed down. I suspect seed germination would also slow down.

I just started playing around with the seeding blankets; they work, but it's harder to see what's happening under neath them.


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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » May 17th, 2019, 10:45 am

My spring renovation germinated several weeks later than my fall renovations have. I was getting anxious at 2 weeks, then it started coming in.... normally my fall renovations have high levels of germination at 2 weeks...

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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by ken-n-nancy » May 17th, 2019, 10:57 am

northeastlawn wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 8:30 am
Part of the reason for seeding in August is that you know the soil is correct temperature for germination. You can't expect seeding in the spring to approach the soil temp's in August. KBG is like a 21-30 day germination in August. In spring when its wet and cold, add a few weeks onto that.
+1. Spring germination of KBG is significantly slower than late summer (August 15) seeding, which is part of the reason that spring seeding of KBG is tougher than a "normal" late summer seeding.

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Post by KBGkicksazz » May 20th, 2019, 7:23 pm

Day 15. 80 degree day, came home and poof, seeing a lot of germination.

Hoping the trend continues.


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Post by KBGkicksazz » May 30th, 2019, 8:15 am

Day 25. Grass is slowly coming in.

Best germination thus far is under the seeding mats.

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Post by KBGkicksazz » June 2nd, 2019, 9:31 pm

Put down slightly more than half dose of starter today.
Been a month with tons of rain.

Slightly more germination. Definitely will need time to fill in as it matures.

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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by KBGkicksazz » June 9th, 2019, 5:08 am

Rear yard reno misadventures continue.

Grass is maybe about an inch tall. There’s some sparse spots which is from washouts. If they don’t fill in I’ll overseer in the fall.

Getting a few weeds. Once I get mowing I think WBG will take out most of it.

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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by KBGkicksazz » June 14th, 2019, 2:29 pm

First mow. Had blades at 2 inch and only clipped a few areas.

Weed control will be next on the agenda in a few weeks hopefully.

I’ll be going heavy on Milo.


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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by KBGkicksazz » July 7th, 2019, 8:58 am

Update: 3 months in. The soggy cold start in early May meant by the time my grass started to germinate the tenacity has mostly worn off.

Lots of random weeds and crabgrass. So, I used about 150% label rate of Weedbgon max about a week ago. Then it sat on dry hot grass for almost a week before we got rain yesterday. Almost all the random weeds are twisted and dying. About 50% of the crabgrass is dead or dying and the watering in of the quinclorac should help supress more from germinating for a while.

I’ll water the lawn and spoon feed it and assess any further treatments week to week. Hopefully by killing back the weeds it gives more room for the KBG to spread.

Now that I’m beating back the weeds, I expect the lawn to take off in late August as temps start dropping.

I’m also ready to start PreM applications. I’ll be using Dimension.
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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by JHazzardB » July 10th, 2019, 2:27 pm

Looking good KBGKA, nice and even. I like that dark streak in the last pic...little ravine or something?

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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by KBGkicksazz » July 10th, 2019, 8:14 pm

That’s where the water drains to in that area.
It will all even out as it matures.

For now I’m doing a personal experiment with Tenacity on the crabgrass, I’ll post the results once I’m done. I can do this now as if it goes bad I can over seed in a month and it’s my backyard so I can live with the heavy whitening lol
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July 10th, 2019, 2:27 pm
Looking good KBGKA, nice and even. I like that dark streak in the last pic...little ravine or something?

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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by KBGkicksazz » July 14th, 2019, 2:58 pm

Mid summer Tenacity treatment as I wanted to see how effective it is on mature crabgrass. I had applied WBG max and it hurt the CG but far from a knockout punch as expected given the maturity and relatively Low rate of quinclorac.

I cut the rear lawn today with my push mower before this pic. There’s some spots where I put compost from the left over I had in the front yard.

Plan is to hit it again on Wednesday to hopefully get the final kill.

The KBG in the lawn seems to be doing well.
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Re: KBGKA rear yard reno

Post by KBGkicksazz » Yesterday, 2:40 pm

Day 8 and my KBG is starting to outgrow the Tenacity stunted crabgrass.

When I look at the whitened CG it’s not the typical crispy and curled death like with Quinclorac. I’m going to apply a second application of Tenacity today but it almost looks like if I didn’t that the CG could push through the whitening. I’m hoping this second and final application today can effectively kill it.
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