Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 3rd, 2015, 10:04 pm

Finally got down to my little slice of heaven. The clover came in well. Lots of other things in the mix but nothing too tall which is just what I wanted.
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I'll probably toss out more clover seed tomorrow.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by BoatDr » July 4th, 2015, 10:18 am

So have you done any homework on how to remove things selectively, and leave the clover?

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by ken-n-nancy » July 4th, 2015, 10:30 am

BoatDr wrote:So have you done any homework on how to remove things selectively, and leave the clover?
I would think that 2,4-D would work moderately well as a selective broadleaf weed killer that would leave the clover in good health. That's why the clover isn't affected until stage 2 of the triangle approach, right? The good news is that the other plants at stage 2, e.g. ground ivy and wild violets, also have a low growth habit, so they should look good intermingled with clover.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by andy10917 » July 4th, 2015, 10:46 am

Not really. 2,4-D damages clover, but not reliably enough to be considered a control. It's half-assed - damage without control is neither fish nor fowl.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by mattya » July 4th, 2015, 3:58 pm

andy10917 wrote:Not really. 2,4-D damages clover, but not reliably enough to be considered a control. It's half-assed - damage without control is neither fish nor fowl.
Wouldn't that be the idea? It'd damage it, but not really. So, it could kill the "salad greens" but leave the clover standing (but hurt).


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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 4th, 2015, 4:03 pm

Yeah I have no idea on the 24d. I might try it though.

Lots of young clover plants not ready for herbicides anyways.

Call it my clover monostand.

I threw out the rest of my seed today, so I'll have to get more if I need it.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by llO0DQLE » July 4th, 2015, 7:38 pm

I was able to kill clover in my lawn with 2,4-D with heavy apps. This was an accidental happenstance. I thought "clover = broadleaf" so 2,4-D should work. When it didn't die after the first app like the dandelions did, I just kept giving it a few more heavy doses and killed it after maybe 3-4 apps.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 4th, 2015, 7:51 pm

The other challenge is that these aren't normal lawn weeds coming in. Small trees. Ivys. Hard and tough woodland plants.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by BoatDrinksQ5 » July 6th, 2015, 1:11 pm

Think some of the taller 'plants' would be handled with a mower at a tall height? Or is it to uneven soil to mow? (use string trimmer maybe?)

Or just a well placed shot or two of a 'level 2' type spray (CCO, sedge killer, or ivy killer?)

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 6th, 2015, 2:32 pm

I don't know. It's not beyond the realm of possibilities that I roundup spots and drop more seed this fall.

Too difficult to mow. It will probably be a weed whip or perhaps a weed whacker.

I am going to talk to some people about selective herbicides though. May give the guys at Purdue a call.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 9th, 2015, 10:29 am

https://ag.purdue.edu/btny/weedscience/ ... adness.pdf

Well I've read several purdue articles on cover crops to try and find out what is least effective as a cover crop terminator for no till farmers.

It seems 24D is the least effective but it is still effective enough to be used. Autumn is the least effective time to apply it and the control rate is 60 to 70 percent.

I'm going to keep searching but that may be doable if I also overseed.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by BoatDrinksQ5 » July 9th, 2015, 10:33 am

sounds like you need to use some heavy duty stuff on those weeds - maybe make a cardboard shield with a notch out of it to go around weed stem. LOL

hmmm

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 9th, 2015, 10:40 am

Yep I may have to be the selective herbicide with glyphosate and a long paint brush hahahah

Really I don't care what grows so long as it stays short.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by crabgrass » July 9th, 2015, 4:06 pm

I've heard that you mow fat a desirable height (ie 2-3") in Fall/Spring, but very low in Summer to prevent flowering.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 9th, 2015, 10:13 pm

Well I actually don't mind the flowering and I don't intend to mow this property. I want the flowers for wildlife forage anyways.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by crabgrass » July 10th, 2015, 1:07 pm

I get the intent. The way I see it if you are trying to eliminate some of the weeds then you have two option:

1) Spray with possibly unexpected results
2) Take the cultural practice approach and develop the clover so it crowds everything out. I doubt this would take more than 3-4 mows.

Do deer like the blossoms? I thought they just wanted the green clover.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 13th, 2015, 7:46 pm

Good idea on the cultural approach.

I went down this past weekend to do sone more work and the clover I planted the previous weekend germinated quite nicely. Didn't snap a pic.

I also mowed about 1000 sf with the weed whip.

I'm having some more excavation done in the next month or so so it looks like a fall clover overseed will be on order anyways. I'm really impressed at how well this stuff does in poor subsoil. I may toss out sone milo to speed it along from time to time as well. Or a bag of urea would last forever too.

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by Jmac30 » July 13th, 2015, 8:18 pm

Don't put any nitrogen on it. You will be feeding everything but the clover.


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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 13th, 2015, 11:08 pm

Wow - my hat is off to Jmac - he PM'ed me a link on 24Db - which several hunting sites use to control weeds in their clover stands. Now I'm down a different rabbit hole....

Anyways - this looks very promising.... particularly if I need to overseed this fall after some more excavation work!

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Re: Surprise Winter Cabin Renovation

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » July 27th, 2015, 10:24 am

Well, ladies and gents - looks like I'll be redoing this in the fall / spring.

I'm having septic put in (hopefully) in the next month, and while they're out there I'm going to have them do some more grading, which will surely destroy my clover monostand and necessitate a fall renovation. :yahoo:

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