Nick's rookie Reno Soggy slow spring green up

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 46 pics

Post by edenl01 » September 21st, 2016, 7:22 pm

mgarnto1 I'm 99% sure it's 16 oz/ac on a soil not a turf.
Day 46 is soggy. Had hail and flash flooding. Overall lots of weeds. Mostly grassy. Tenacity bleaching is pretty heavy right now so color is off. Some of my latest spot seedings are popping right now so that makes me happy.
Overall thoughts so far:
Been lucky relative to others. Grassy weeds persisted more than I thought. I heeded warnings not to go too heavy so we shall see what next season brings disease wise. I think next year I'll try 2.5 lbs/k.
Right now it's kind of in auto pilot. I'll be doing my second urea app Friday. I'd estimate that at the next mow that about 50-60% of it will get cut. Color is good so far, the no mix is darker but it takes time for that. I apologize for the bad pictures.
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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 51 pics

Post by edenl01 » September 25th, 2016, 6:40 pm

Dropped 2nd urea app today. Yesterday I found a grub while pulling weeds. How many/much of those constitutes a problem? Never really dealt with them at all.
Reno is looking better. Poa annua is seeding and dying in places. There's more of it than you think!
Color and density are improving with time as expected.
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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 51 pics

Post by ezael » September 25th, 2016, 7:08 pm

Looking good! I think I've read that finding 10 in a sq ft means you have a problem but I've also never had a grub problem.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 60 ish pics

Post by edenl01 » October 2nd, 2016, 4:50 pm

Day 57 this will serve as the 60 day check in.
Seeing rust quite a bit throughout the reno. No fungicide applied. It's filling in nicely. I have poa annua seeding out right now probably due to the tenacity apps. Just mowed and applied urea. It's far from showcase but it looks a lot better than the no Nomix in the rest of the yard. I'm pleased but it's still a work in progress.
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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 60ish check in/pics

Post by andy10917 » October 2nd, 2016, 6:45 pm

Awesome!! The Day 60 pictures are always my favorites - they show the lawn as a lawn for the first time. I think you've topped my personal best Day 60 picture, so I tip my hat...

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 60ish check in/pics

Post by ndlutz » October 2nd, 2016, 10:08 pm

Looking great! My opinion on the grub issue is that it can't hurt to apply a product to kill the grubs if you're at all worried about them. It won't harm the lawn but the grubs will if there are enough of them. I'm not usually Mr. Chemical but I think in this case it's a good idea. I did so on my lawn and it gave me some peace of mind.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 60ish check in/pics

Post by edenl01 » October 6th, 2016, 6:16 pm

I think that every good reno thread needs a property line shot. This is mine and its of the Reno contrasted with my Nomix. Every week it gets more noticeable.
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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 60ish check in/pics

Post by edenl01 » October 16th, 2016, 8:50 pm

Mowed and did a urea app. They're calling for 80 tomorrow in Iowa, I'll take it. I was initially done dropping urea but with the nasty heavy rust I've got going on and the forecast of decent temps I dropped today. Looking to prodiamine very soon.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 60ish check in/pics

Post by Zareth » October 16th, 2016, 10:37 pm

You live next to a cornfield?
Do they do aerial herbicide applications?

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Day 60ish check in/pics

Post by edenl01 » October 17th, 2016, 5:37 am

No they don't use crop dusters or anything like that. Early spring that field is a dandelion fest so I'm pretty sure they do a 2-4d or similar herbicide app. I established a decent stand of rye between the actual field and the end of my yard. He sprays even when it's really windy and the rye didn't end up dying so I don't think he uses glyphosate either.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno soggy slow spring green up

Post by edenl01 » April 4th, 2017, 8:03 pm

So far the unrenovated nomix is greened up pretty well. The Reno is at about 60% if I had to put a number on it. The quack grass is standing tall and obnoxious. There are a few patches that will just plain need killed and done again. It will definitely be a work in progress.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Soggy slow spring green up

Post by ndlutz » April 6th, 2017, 9:54 pm

eden - I've got the same issue with the quack. It really came back hard. I may wind up going the Certainty route in the future. For now, I'm going to paint it. The spring is a good time to get after it a little since it usually stands taller than the KBG. Perfect time to get a paint brush on it with minimal collateral damage.

Mine looks obnoxious green-blue right now which really makes it stand out.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Soggy slow spring green up

Post by edenl01 » April 18th, 2017, 8:05 pm

Pulled about 20 linear feet of quack grass and rhizomes. I'm not confident that pulling it will suffice. Starting to game plan what sections and how I will drop the glyphosate bomb.

It's a bummer to have to renovate the Reno but it ain't going to get any prettier just looking at it.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Soggy slow spring green up

Post by LeftField11 » April 20th, 2017, 12:19 pm

I'd be tempted to try Certainty first. It used to be labeled for cool season grasses. Andy has posted the 2008 label, it has directions for application on cool season grasses (Section 9). viewtopic.php?f=4&t=19864&p=272656&hili ... 08#p272656
Read through the Certainty threads for yourself, but I see a couple recurring warnings:
- There's a reason it's no longer labeled for cool-season grasses, an application mistake is costly
- Your KBG will look like poo for a while (up to 60 days) after you apply it
But what have you got to lose if you're thinking about nuking it anyhow?

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Soggy slow spring green up

Post by edenl01 » April 20th, 2017, 1:09 pm

I'm not using Certainty. Not even a little bit. I don't have the skill or the wallet for that. I think I will be patient and pick away at the quack. Right now it's been so wet in Iowa that I've been able to get it out rhizomes and all.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Soggy slow spring green up

Post by edenl01 » April 21st, 2017, 5:30 pm

Today I mapped out the most bad part of the renovation for round up. Even if I were to go with Certainty there's not enough kbg population to fill this area in any time soon.

I'd guess it at about 300-400 sq. Ft.
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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Spring check in

Post by edenl01 » May 9th, 2017, 1:16 pm

Lately Iowa has warmed up a bit and that seems to have had a great affect on the lawn. I'm not at 100% cover yet but it's moving quickly. I've got some pretty nasty patches of quack grass that I'm working on right now. It's nowhere near the showcase stuff that a lot of you have or have made but it's a good start. It's a lot easier to pick out undesirables in an all kbg lawn. Seems like my worst area is about a 10-15 radius around the deck where they had the equipment compacting the soil. So far it has had bag rate milo and about .3-.4 lbs of N via balanced fertilizer.
I've noticed that a good portion of the lawn is at about an inch and growing lateral. I'm betting it's the bewitched.
This picture is of one of the worse areas. I do enjoy the color even though my ph is sky high.
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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Soggy slow spring green up

Post by edenl01 » May 31st, 2017, 1:19 pm

I'm at almost 3 weeks in from my first application of Certainty. Main target is quack grass. Did a spot spray that turned into more of a blanket spray.

Observations so far are that the quack quit growing, it's discolored and turning purple and brown. Some of it looks dead but most just looks like it got punched in the face.
For those of you contemplating using Certainty, it's not miracle in a bottle.

The surrounding turf did not discolor but there has been little growth.

I'm due for a second application in a few days.

The professor at ISU told me the only way to make long term gains with Certainty on quack is a persistent program over many years.

For a renovation update it looks like a lawn now. Took awhile but it's starting to have some decent top growth.

I do have a lot of grassy weeds yet. Aside from quack, it's that alkali grass. There's quite a bit more of it in there than I initially though. I'm managing that by pulling the smaller bunches and glyphosate on the bunches that are too rooted to pull.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Soggy slow spring green up

Post by andy10917 » May 31st, 2017, 11:00 pm

The professor at ISU told me the only way to make long term gains with Certainty on quack is a persistent program over many years.
No different with Triv. My battle took six years. Nobody wants to read that or believe it - they think they'll be the one-in-a-million. You'd be better playing the lottery.

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Re: Nick's rookie Reno Soggy slow spring green up

Post by fusebox7 » June 1st, 2017, 10:57 am

^ Exactly. A huge factor in switching to 100% KBG for me. Since there are herbicides that can manage the good and the bad, I'm willing to keep up my end of the contract (5+ years). With a no-mix it was an abrupt ending due to me folding.

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