Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 163? Spring is here?

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG)

Post by seiyafan » September 23rd, 2016, 2:25 pm

Yep, that's poa. I got some in my reno too.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG)

Post by Zareth » September 25th, 2016, 10:53 am

Day 20!

Oh lord I've got crabgrass galore.

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Patience is a virtue.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG)

Post by GeorgiaDad » September 25th, 2016, 11:02 am

Zareth wrote:Day 20!

Oh lord I've got crabgrass galore.
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Count your blessings. You don't have moles, voles, rabbits, squirrels, deer, grubs, poa, neighbors dogs running wild, wife setting up a kiddie pool, flooding, city utilities digging up your lawn, ect..

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by seiyafan » September 25th, 2016, 11:08 am

Crabgrass is pretty easy to deal with. It's easy to spot and easy to pull. I have pulled over 200 on mine so far.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by Zareth » September 25th, 2016, 11:13 am

seiyafan wrote:Crabgrass is pretty easy to deal with. It's easy to spot and easy to pull. I have pulled over 200 on mine so far.
Some of them yes, I'll have to take a picture of the worst area when I get off work.

Anyone know how mature kbg/fescue needs to be before you can use quinclorac?

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG)

Post by Zareth » September 25th, 2016, 11:14 am

GeorgiaDad wrote:
Zareth wrote:Day 20!

Oh lord I've got crabgrass galore.
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Count your blessings. You don't have moles, voles, rabbits, squirrels, deer, grubs, poa, neighbors dogs running wild, wife setting up a kiddie pool, flooding, city utilities digging up your lawn, ect..
Haha much respect for you. I don't have any of those issues right now, luckily the utility company came and did their evilness two months ago.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by seiyafan » September 25th, 2016, 11:16 am

By the way, out of all the seedlings I pulled out, one had already begun to seed, so make sure you don't have any of that in yours.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by andy10917 » September 25th, 2016, 12:07 pm

Anyone know how mature kbg/fescue needs to be before you can use quinclorac?
Zareth, you're just begging for trouble. Learn to keep a folder with the labels of all of the products that you use regularly. And make your questions that you post unambiguous and specific. The answer to your KBG/Fescue question is different for KBG than it is for Fescue, and does Fescue mean Tall Fescue or Fine Fescue?

Here's a gimmee - the PDF for Quinclorac DF. Your question is answered on Page 11.

Quinclorac Label PDF

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by kbgfarmer » September 25th, 2016, 12:17 pm

Posting from my phone so I can't see your location but assuming you get frost the crabgrass should die over winter and your KBG should fill in the holes. Pre emergent applied before soil temps hit 55 degrees should help keep it out. My lawn was infested with it last fall after my Reno and now I don't have any. We all want lawns that look amazing right away but as many have said it takes time. My two cents.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by Zareth » September 25th, 2016, 2:53 pm

andy10917 wrote:
Anyone know how mature kbg/fescue needs to be before you can use quinclorac?
Zareth, you're just begging for trouble. Learn to keep a folder with the labels of all of the products that you use regularly. And make your questions that you post unambiguous and specific. The answer to your KBG/Fescue question is different for KBG than it is for Fescue, and does Fescue mean Tall Fescue or Fine Fescue?

Here's a gimmee - the PDF for Quinclorac DF. Your question is answered on Page 11.

Quinclorac Label PDF
I don't actually own any products with quinclorac or I would have that info.
Sorry I assumed if anyone was on this page they'd know what grass I planted.

Thanks for the pdf!

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by Zareth » September 25th, 2016, 2:55 pm

kbgfarmer wrote:Posting from my phone so I can't see your location but assuming you get frost the crabgrass should die over winter and your KBG should fill in the holes. Pre emergent applied before soil temps hit 55 degrees should help keep it out. My lawn was infested with it last fall after my Reno and now I don't have any. We all want lawns that look amazing right away but as many have said it takes time. My two cents.

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There's one area that the crabgrass came in so thick it's like a 2x3 mat of the stuff, I'm not sure how much kbg will make it through all the shade it'll get from the crabgrass.. wish I'd used siduron at seed down..

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by GeorgiaDad » September 25th, 2016, 4:02 pm

Did you start any pots?

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by andy10917 » September 25th, 2016, 4:25 pm

I don't actually own any products with quinclorac or I would have that info.
If you haven't used Quinclorac before, please note that MSO is really not optional - there is a significant difference in performance between Q+MSO and Q-without-MSO.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by Zareth » September 25th, 2016, 5:38 pm

I have 15 4 inch pots but I started them late, good call though I can probably put a few of them in that area if I have to.


Ok Ill make sure I use the q+mso if I end up going that route.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by kbgfarmer » September 25th, 2016, 10:34 pm

Zareth wrote:
kbgfarmer wrote:Posting from my phone so I can't see your location but assuming you get frost the crabgrass should die over winter and your KBG should fill in the holes. Pre emergent applied before soil temps hit 55 degrees should help keep it out. My lawn was infested with it last fall after my Reno and now I don't have any. We all want lawns that look amazing right away but as many have said it takes time. My two cents.

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There's one area that the crabgrass came in so thick it's like a 2x3 mat of the stuff, I'm not sure how much kbg will make it through all the shade it'll get from the crabgrass.. wish I'd used siduron at seed down..

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Yeah I guess I forgot how much crabgrass my wife and I pulled last year (she did the brunt of the pulling bless her sweet heart), although didn't reseed the large areas and they still filled in this year. It's amazing how much even a no mix that contains KBG can spread. We probably pulled a lot of desirable grass inadvertently as well.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by rtomek » September 26th, 2016, 11:43 am

From what I remember, Quinclorac has only been shown to be effective on crabgrass prior to the three leaf stage. It's really only mildly effective as a pre-emergent but can take also out some of the crabgrass seedlings. Still, it's a great replacement for Tenacity right now because it shouldn't hurt either grass at this stage and something is better than nothing.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by Zareth » September 26th, 2016, 5:24 pm

rtomek wrote:From what I remember, Quinclorac has only been shown to be effective on crabgrass prior to the three leaf stage. It's really only mildly effective as a pre-emergent but can take also out some of the crabgrass seedlings. Still, it's a great replacement for Tenacity right now because it shouldn't hurt either grass at this stage and something is better than nothing.
The label I read from Andy said it could be used on kbg that was 28 days post emergence.

Most of the crabgrass is 1 or 2 tillers right now with a few at 3.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by Zareth » September 27th, 2016, 11:50 am

I applied serenade at 4 oz / k yesterday.
Today I noticed some melting in one of the shadier areas where both my sets of sprinklers overlap, so it's getting watered twice as often...

I panicked so I put down fame g which is a strobilurin fungicide.

There was white fluffy stuff on the grass like thin spider webs but I think that was probably a different fungus munching on the dead grass.

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 20 = crabg

Post by Zareth » September 27th, 2016, 11:52 am

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This has me worried lol. I really didn't want to use fungicides right now after applying sumagrow and serenade..

I cut back to once a day for 45 minutes water today. Anything that hasn't germinated can just forget about it, and would end up getting nuked by the urea in october.
I have thin areas but they'll have to fill in from the spreading.

It's in the 70s finally so should I be doing a mid day watering in case the roots aren't deep enough or should I do it in the early morning?

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Re: Zareth's 2016 Front Yard Reno! (TTTF/KBG) Day 22 = Fungu

Post by rtomek » September 27th, 2016, 2:26 pm

Quinclorac has been shown to be safe 7 days after emergence on KBG, and anytime for Tall Fescue: http://buckeyeturf.osu.edu/index.php?op ... Itemid=170

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