Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
A combination preliminary seeding and fallowing period...
That mulch stuff (Encap or Pennmulch granules) might be useful still.
That mulch stuff (Encap or Pennmulch granules) might be useful still.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
I think that's a moot point now, because you've decided not to do it. But real-world results of mixing KBG and PR don't seem to be consistent in my experience. I've done seeding with 50/50 KBG/PR and gotten a lot of KBG a few years later (over 50% I would say). In contrast, last Spring I seeded an area with mostly FF, a bit of KBG, and a bit of PR, and now I have easily over 50% (it sure looks like that much) PR the following Spring in that area. For whatever reason, results have varied. Maybe modern, elite KBG just holds its own against PR better than some other things--like FF--do. Or maybe Spring versus late Summer versus Fall seeding is a factor. Who knows!fusebox7 wrote: ↑May 16th, 2017, 9:05 pmI thought about that - but PRG, not annual rye since it's a prolific seeder. I also considered a 5-10% mix of PRG planted with my KBG but would be nervous about the studies that propose that the next year would yield an increase of as much as 25-30% PRG. I often wonder what ATY folks' real-world results have been.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
I'd stick with the KBG only. Have Tenacity on hand for any POA that pops up during the summer which is always possible in Michigan with all the watering you will be doing.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
Yes I do and it's not bad cost-wise where we are at so I am not concerned with that part. I just want to be hyper-sensitive to ensuring I have adequate and even coverage so I'll be doing some testing/config before seed-down.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
That's promising! The sooner the better, don't over think it, do it! You can always fix and adjust later and still not be any worse off than if you waited the whole time.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
I'll take a look at the recommendations for starter mulch - probably a smart idea (I'm looking at ~5500 sq ft). Do you have any good sources for either of those that you mentioned? Seems like some of those products are very pricey for 5K of coverage...
Seed is separate right now but I am planning on doing equal parts by weight:
Award 33%
Bewitched 33%
Mazama 33%
Unless anyone has any tips that would otherwise change those percentages. I figure if I seed each equally I can see what tends to dominate over time. Light filtered shade due to tall thin canopies but most of the day is full sun. The shade comes into play more in the early and late seasons when the sun is lower (south) in the sky.
Seed is separate right now but I am planning on doing equal parts by weight:
Award 33%
Bewitched 33%
Mazama 33%
Unless anyone has any tips that would otherwise change those percentages. I figure if I seed each equally I can see what tends to dominate over time. Light filtered shade due to tall thin canopies but most of the day is full sun. The shade comes into play more in the early and late seasons when the sun is lower (south) in the sky.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
I regularly read of folks here saying they can tell the difference in their lawn between different cultivars in a blend. However, I have no clue how they're doing this reliably. I have a Bewitched monostand in my side lawn, and different Bewitched plants look markedly different from one another depending upon who knows what factors including amount of sunlight, age of plant, amount of water, local fertilization variation, leaf-to-leaf variation, etc.
Individual blades from the same plant don't even all look the same! Some blades are thinner, or wider, or floppier, or stiffer, or lighter, or darker, or ...
Anyway, I think that a lot of times when folks think they can tell the difference between KBG cultivars, they are not really distinguishing different cultivars, but instead seeing differences in appearance with a cross-section of each cultivar in each group that they think are different cultivars.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
I absolutely agree, I have a Bewitched Monostand I planted last year and the areas that get more sunlight opposed to the areas that get shade look different. Both areas look good, but the areas that get more sunlight look great.ken-n-nancy wrote: ↑May 18th, 2017, 10:18 amAnyway, I think that a lot of times when folks think they can tell the difference between KBG cultivars, they are not really distinguishing different cultivars, but instead seeing differences in appearance with a cross-section of each cultivar in each group that they think are different cultivars.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
That's true too...but overall if you look at the whole swath, something like Bewitched is going to be darker, slower growing, coarser, and slower to wake up than something like America. You can definitely spot the general contrast.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
Been ready to seed... however it's been raining every day and also every day in the foreseeable future. Going to have to fix erosion spots once it dries out enough (lots of mud). Bought Encap starter mulch with tackifier for seed-down. Started pots yesterday and will be tracking germination on those just for s's and g's.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
Only thing I can think of is *if* the cultivars have substantial differences in number of seeds per pound. Did the bags happen to list that? If not, probably not worth fretting over though.fusebox7 wrote: ↑May 18th, 2017, 8:36 am
Seed is separate right now but I am planning on doing equal parts by weight:
Award 33%
Bewitched 33%
Mazama 33%
Unless anyone has any tips that would otherwise change those percentages. I figure if I seed each equally I can see what tends to dominate over time.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
No I wasn't able to find that count anywhere. I did think about that but I don't think it'll be substantial enough to fret about, like you said.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
I tried searching for this to no avail... if my seeds are all separate by cultivar should I spread them all separately or is it preferable to mix them before spreading?
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
I always seed different species or different sized seed of the same species (never had that situation though) separately. As long as you mix thoroughly, there's no problem with mixing a bunch of KBG seed after you weigh it out. More than anything, mixing it well can just be a pain in the neck (from experience...used a wheelbarrow, but it wasn't the best method).
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
Thanks. That is what I planned to do (separate passes). At least then I know I spread each variety everywhere.
In other news --- waiting for the soil to dry out a bit (who knows when that will be) so I can make some erosion corrections and roll the soil. Then I'll be ready to seed and lay a starter blanket in the erosion area and use Encap starter mulch on the rest of the bare soil areas. Rain in the forecast every day until June 2. "La Niña visits the Midwest".
In other news --- waiting for the soil to dry out a bit (who knows when that will be) so I can make some erosion corrections and roll the soil. Then I'll be ready to seed and lay a starter blanket in the erosion area and use Encap starter mulch on the rest of the bare soil areas. Rain in the forecast every day until June 2. "La Niña visits the Midwest".
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
Have a couple dry(er?) days. Applied glyphosate to remaining grass areas in lawn. Backpack spray failed hard. Leaked all over me so took a shower and pulled out the trusty 2-gallon hand-held sprayer. These areas will lag behind the others due to kill period.
As for bare soil/erosion areas - Final bed prep tomorrow then seed, fert, mulch, erosion blanket. Should be a perfect mid 70s, sunny day. Fingers crossed all goes well.
As for bare soil/erosion areas - Final bed prep tomorrow then seed, fert, mulch, erosion blanket. Should be a perfect mid 70s, sunny day. Fingers crossed all goes well.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
Award seed count according to this link is around 2 million.
http://www.lacrosseseed.com/downloads/t ... egrass.pdf
Bewitched I've seen 1.5-1.7 million on the tech sheets
Stuff like Blue Velvet has a low count of about 1.09 million seeds per pound.
http://www.lacrosseseed.com/downloads/t ... egrass.pdf
Bewitched I've seen 1.5-1.7 million on the tech sheets
Stuff like Blue Velvet has a low count of about 1.09 million seeds per pound.
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
Thanks. I suspect the difference won't be enough for me to care - they're all elite and dark.
In other news, I have the first sprout in my pots that were seeded the 22nd. We'll see if it ends up being KBG since it's only been 4 days... might be the Mazama (America).
In other news, I have the first sprout in my pots that were seeded the 22nd. We'll see if it ends up being KBG since it's only been 4 days... might be the Mazama (America).
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
Seed is down on 3k that was bare soil. Took ~6 hours. I have a whole new respect for those of you who have done bigger renovations. I am drained.
-Rolled before
-3 lb/k (combined) of Mazama, Bewitched, Award
-Scotts starter w/ meso
-Encap starter mulch
-Rolled after
-Paper mulch blankets where erosion is an issue (I don't expect much help from it but at least I can say I tried)
-2 zones set at 7 mins a piece 4 times a day: 6,10am; 2,6pm
Let the heavy drinking begin!
-Rolled before
-3 lb/k (combined) of Mazama, Bewitched, Award
-Scotts starter w/ meso
-Encap starter mulch
-Rolled after
-Paper mulch blankets where erosion is an issue (I don't expect much help from it but at least I can say I tried)
-2 zones set at 7 mins a piece 4 times a day: 6,10am; 2,6pm
Let the heavy drinking begin!
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Re: Fusebox 2017 Front/Side Reno
That's kind of scary. Good thing you washed yourself off right away.
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