Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 16th, 2019, 11:11 pm

Andy, what are you feelings on renovating the dead parts with Bewitched monostrand? Point of clarification, monostrand means no other seed types mixed, correct? Single strand, in this case Bewitched. Should I stay away from monostrand? I would also like to overseed with this seed as well to get it into the rest of the lawn.

According to seedsuperstore.com overseeding is at a rate of 1lb per 1k/sqf and seeding (new lawn) is 2lb per 1/sqf. At a rate of 1.5lb per 1k/sqf (average of overseed at 1lb and seed/repair at 2lb) would mean I need 50lb for 30k sqf. Seedsuperstore sells Bewitched for $395, not sure I can find it cheaper anywhere else.

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 16th, 2019, 11:16 pm

P.S. Seed superstore for my zipcode recommends this mix...there's a lot of stuff in there. Not sure how great some of these strands are.


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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by Green » April 16th, 2019, 11:34 pm

Are you killing everything and renoing this year? I did not remember that being mentioned before.

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by andy10917 » April 17th, 2019, 6:28 am

ndy, what are you feelings on renovating the dead parts with Bewitched monostrand? Point of clarification, monostrand means no other seed types mixed, correct? Single strand, in this case Bewitched. Should I stay away from monostrand? I would also like to overseed with this seed as well to get it into the rest of the lawn.

According to seedsuperstore.com overseeding is at a rate of 1lb per 1k/sqf and seeding (new lawn) is 2lb per 1/sqf. At a rate of 1.5lb per 1k/sqf (average of overseed at 1lb and seed/repair at 2lb) would mean I need 50lb for 30k sqf. Seedsuperstore sells Bewitched for $395, not sure I can find it cheaper anywhere else.
I personally would not seed Bewitched into a NoMix (what you have) lawn - it's going to be far too dark and the lawn will not look right (dark areas where it dominates, lighter elsewhere). Also, KBG doesn't do very well seeded into a lawn with mature PRG.

Monostands are beautiful, but you have to be decisive when disease attacks. There is no time to "try this, try that" - disease moves quickly in a monostand.

BTW, it's "cultivar or "strain", not "strand".

For price-checking, try Preferred Seed in Buffalo. Prices are better, and they will get it to a location close to you for free.

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 17th, 2019, 7:01 am

andy10917 wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 6:28 am
ndy, what are you feelings on renovating the dead parts with Bewitched monostrand? Point of clarification, monostrand means no other seed types mixed, correct? Single strand, in this case Bewitched. Should I stay away from monostrand? I would also like to overseed with this seed as well to get it into the rest of the lawn.

According to seedsuperstore.com overseeding is at a rate of 1lb per 1k/sqf and seeding (new lawn) is 2lb per 1/sqf. At a rate of 1.5lb per 1k/sqf (average of overseed at 1lb and seed/repair at 2lb) would mean I need 50lb for 30k sqf. Seedsuperstore sells Bewitched for $395, not sure I can find it cheaper anywhere else.
I personally would not seed Bewitched into a NoMix (what you have) lawn - it's going to be far too dark and the lawn will not look right (dark areas where it dominates, lighter elsewhere). Also, KBG doesn't do very well seeded into a lawn with mature PRG.

Monostands are beautiful, but you have to be decisive when disease attacks. There is no time to "try this, try that" - disease moves quickly in a monostand.

BTW, it's "cultivar or "strain", not "strand".

For price-checking, try Preferred Seed in Buffalo. Prices are better, and they will get it to a location close to you for free.
I hadn't considered seeding into my builders mix and how it would look. I really don't want to completely kill off 31k sqf. I don't have any machinery so it will be renovating by hand on a very large area. I was hoping between repairs and overseeing everywhere else to get good seed in. About 12k or so of the lawn is pretty dead so that will be almost like a new seeding.

Is there a grass that would do better with a gradual transition to a better quality cultivar?


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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by Green » April 18th, 2019, 2:30 pm

andy10917 wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 6:28 am
BTW, it's "cultivar or "strain", not "strand".
Or "variety".
KnickLeDime wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 7:01 am
Is there a grass that would do better with a gradual transition to a better quality cultivar?
What does that mean...gradual transition to a better cultivar? Do you mean what should you overseed with if sections of your lawn die out?

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 18th, 2019, 5:37 pm

Green wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 2:30 pm
andy10917 wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 6:28 am
BTW, it's "cultivar or "strain", not "strand".
Or "variety".
KnickLeDime wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 7:01 am
Is there a grass that would do better with a gradual transition to a better quality cultivar?
What does that mean...gradual transition to a better cultivar? Do you mean what should you overseed with if sections of your lawn die out?
My apologies for calling it strand... Noted... Cultivar, variety or strain.

Yes my question was in regards to overseed as I plan to repair the dead areas and then overseed the rest of the lawn with the same strain. Andy brought up a good point... Bewitched or similar strain in dead areas which will be repaired will look quote different from the surviving no name builder grass. So my thought was what if I overseed the surviving lawn with the same cultivar as the repair..? Will that evn things out a bit more? But then again andy also said that bewitched may not do well overseeding into the surving lawn.

So in short... Any recommendations on what seed to repair and overseed with?

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by andy10917 » April 18th, 2019, 8:36 pm

Hey, KnickleDime, here's a young Bewitched monostand 90 miles south of you (SLYDER27's lawn) - it will probably darken by another two shades by the time it is 3 years old. I wonder if he ever finished mowing. Acceptable?

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 18th, 2019, 9:50 pm

andy10917 wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 8:36 pm
Hey, KnickleDime, here's a young Bewitched monostand 90 miles south of you (SLYDER27's lawn) - it will probably darken by another two shades by the time it is 3 years old. I wonder if he ever finished mowing. Acceptable?

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It's beautiful... I'd love something like that.

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by andy10917 » April 18th, 2019, 10:06 pm

OK - then here's the history of the front yard: a year before we transformed it, it had been owned by a 85-year old shut-in woman and was overgrown with out-of-control hedges, brambles, and erosion for 30+ years and there was barely anything grass-like growing on it.

It can be done.

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 18th, 2019, 10:31 pm

andy10917 wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 10:06 pm
OK - then here's the history of the front yard: a year before we transformed it, it had been owned by a 85-year old shut-in woman and was overgrown with out-of-control hedges, brambles, and erosion for 30+ years and there was barely anything grass-like growing on it.

It can be done.
But this was a clean kill and sed and not spot repair or overseed...right? I may need to do a 50/50 mix with something else.

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 22nd, 2019, 6:50 pm

Today was edging around a big tree and dug up about 15 grubs... My heart sank. Do I wait and apply grubex in June or go curative again?

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by andy10917 » April 22nd, 2019, 7:54 pm

15 grubs in how many square feet of area?

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 22nd, 2019, 7:57 pm

andy10917 wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 7:54 pm
15 grubs in how many square feet of area?
I edged, cut the edge of the sod between mulch. I disturbed maybe a combined 10-12 sqf

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by andy10917 » April 22nd, 2019, 8:17 pm

That is not much of an infestation. Check a square foot in the lawn. 10 in a square foot would be an infestation.

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by Green » April 22nd, 2019, 9:28 pm

KnickLeDime wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 6:50 pm
Today was edging around a big tree and dug up about 15 grubs... My heart sank. Do I wait and apply grubex in June or go curative again?
If you use Grubex, keep in mind it should be applied in April or May...not June (though June is better than nothing, but don't wait until June if you're using it!). Everyone keeps repeating the wrong timing...even Ace Hardware on their receipts when you buy the product.

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 22nd, 2019, 10:11 pm

Green wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 9:28 pm
KnickLeDime wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 6:50 pm
Today was edging around a big tree and dug up about 15 grubs... My heart sank. Do I wait and apply grubex in June or go curative again?
If you use Grubex, keep in mind it should be applied in April or May...not June (though June is better than nothing, but don't wait until June if you're using it!). Everyone keeps repeating the wrong timing...even Ace Hardware on their receipts when you buy the product.
I'm gonna go Marit from site one... Jacob my dude at site one said late may for Marit.

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by Green » April 23rd, 2019, 9:38 pm

KnickLeDime wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 10:11 pm
I'm gonna go Marit from site one... Jacob my dude at site one said late may for Marit.
You must mean Merit. But late May?! That sounds very, very early for Merit. They put it down in July here every year...June at the earliest (professional applicators...homeowners can't use it here).

PS: I can't keep track of the NY regulations. Is Grubex not allowed but Merit is allowed?

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by KnickLeDime » April 23rd, 2019, 10:19 pm

Green wrote:
April 23rd, 2019, 9:38 pm
KnickLeDime wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 10:11 pm
I'm gonna go Marit from site one... Jacob my dude at site one said late may for Marit.
You must mean Merit. But late May?! That sounds very, very early for Merit. They put it down in July here every year...June at the earliest (professional applicators...homeowners can't use it here).

PS: I can't keep track of the NY regulations. Is Grubex not allowed but Merit is allowed?
Grubex is allowed and from what I can tell merit is available as well. If you were me would you do merit or Grubex?

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Re: Sleepless in Rexford - Scheming

Post by Green » April 23rd, 2019, 11:32 pm

KnickLeDime wrote:
April 23rd, 2019, 10:19 pm
Grubex is allowed and from what I can tell merit is available as well. If you were me would you do merit or Grubex?
Grubex for sure. And ideally between now and mid May or so.

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