Fertilizer w/ Weed Control
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Fertilizer w/ Weed Control
Hey folks, I wanted to ask for some expertise. I have tenacity, but also need to apply fertilizer for the spring. I was hoping to be pointed in the right direction about the best fertilizer I could use that might have a great pre emergent along with it. I was just hoping to save some time and use of tenacity by doing at least one preemergent app at the same time I put my fertilizer down. Would I be better off to just go the traditional route of putting down milo and spraying tenacity? Any advice or expertise is appreciated!!
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Re: Fertilizer w/ Weed Control
Also, since I need to add more phosphate to my soil anyway, couldn't I use a starter fert?
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Re: Fertilizer w/ Weed Control
My opinion... This process is a marathon. Continue to read and learn. Start with a simple pyramid approach to weeds. Next step, get a soil test from Logan Labs, so you can get a good plan. Two years from now, you will be thrilled.
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Re: Fertilizer w/ Weed Control
Generally, you want to wait for the lawn to be growing well before any spring Nitrogen. That is typically well after you would want to apply pre-emergent. The combo fertilizer and Pre-emergents tend to be too much early Nitrogen for most areas. Early nitrogen will promote a greener lawn early at the expense of potential problems when it warms up.
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- Dchall_San_Antonio
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Re: Fertilizer w/ Weed Control
No you don't need to apply fertilizer FOR the spring. You need to apply fertilizer AFTER the spring. Disregard what the television tells you about when to fertilize. Those people are selling fertilizer. If you apply now you will need to apply again in May. If you don't apply now, the grass will be fine until May. Just wait it out.... but also need to apply fertilizer for the spring.
If you are hot to do something now, do the preemergent ONLY. In a few weeks you can do a post emergent with Weed-b-Gon.
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Re: Fertilizer w/ Weed Control
I'm up here in Massachusetts and just put down a 18-0-6 with .37% Prodiamine. It was the first package of the season from the company that sends me my lawn care products each month (very convenient by the way). I'm not sure if it something you can get local, so I'm happy to share more details if you'd like. It went down a week ago and I'm already noticing the results when compared to a section that didn't get treated.
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Re: Fertilizer w/ Weed Control
EdD, are you talking about GetSunday.com? That's complete bullshite, in my humble opinion. The reason it is a monthly product delivery is that it is a liquid, and you cannot possibly apply a pound of nitrogen per 1,000 square feet from a bag of liquid weighing only a few ounces. It is easy enough to apply prodiamine by buying it at the store and apply nitrogen with real fertilizer. My next problem with Get Sunday is that they are going to put herbicide and insecticide and possibly fungicide into the bags even though you don't need it. They are not looking at your lawn and cannot know what YOU need. They work on possibilities, not probabilities. The result is pollution of the soil with unnecessary chemicals which wreak havoc on your soil biology leading to an unhealthy soil. And already, you have applied a fertilizer WHICH YOU DID NOT NEED, yet. Aaaaarrrrggggghhhh! Do you sense my frustration?
Here's the normal advice for a northern lawn in the spring:
If you have bare or thin spots in the spring, you'll have to suffer until the proper time to reseed in late August. If you seed in the spring, the new grass will not be strong enough to withstand the summer heat and the chances of introducing crabgrass go way up.
The liquid fertilizers like those sold by GetSunday are used in the growing industry to force new growth on wholesale plants going to the retail market. They are not appropriate for a lawn.
Here's the normal advice for a northern lawn in the spring:
- Water deeply and infrequently. Usually Mother Nature takes care of this for the entire spring. For more on this topic, search the forum for deep and infrequent.
- Apply a preemergent herbicide when you first see the forsythia in bloom in your neighborhood. That means the soil is moist enough and warm enough to germinate weeds.
- If necessary, spot spray weeds with Weed-b-Gon or Weed-b-Gon Chickweed, Clover, and Oxalis Killer in mid April.
- DO NOT fertilize until Memorial Day. Your grass already has enough nutrient stored in the roots from taking the winter off. On Memorial Day fertilize with a fertilizer, bagged fertilizer, and not a weed n feed product. I much prefer organic fertilizer, but I'm not going to launch into that discussion for this. Fertilize on Memorial Day and you won't need to do it again until Labor Day.
- Mulch mow every week at the mower's highest setting.
If you have bare or thin spots in the spring, you'll have to suffer until the proper time to reseed in late August. If you seed in the spring, the new grass will not be strong enough to withstand the summer heat and the chances of introducing crabgrass go way up.
The liquid fertilizers like those sold by GetSunday are used in the growing industry to force new growth on wholesale plants going to the retail market. They are not appropriate for a lawn.
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Re: Fertilizer w/ Weed Control
@Dchall_San_Antonio Jeessh... you messed up EdD's advert. You were supposed to say, oh wow, that sounds amazing. Tell me about more about it.
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