Fall Nitrogen Regimens
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
To clarify my post a few back, I was asking about applications before rain on non-irrigated parts of my lawn, not applying when it was not going to rain/couldn't be watered in.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Notice the 3-hour specification in the University quote I clipped. If you don't irrigate or don't get the expected amounts of rainfall, you should expect some losses - period. There are no tricks. Hope much that matters to you is a personal decision.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Yes, fertilizing my 40,000 non-irrigated square feet is tricky.
You either have to rely on predicted rainfall - which if you do the day before or day of is pretty reliable. Or you don't fertilize, which doesn't seem like a great option either.
When I build my new house, I will be putting a well in. Until then, a single 1 inch watering of 40k square feet would use 24,935 gallons of water. My municipal water costs $21.40 per 100 cubic feet (748 gallons). That means a single watering would cost $710. No thanks.
My 5000 irrigated square feet is much easier.
You either have to rely on predicted rainfall - which if you do the day before or day of is pretty reliable. Or you don't fertilize, which doesn't seem like a great option either.
When I build my new house, I will be putting a well in. Until then, a single 1 inch watering of 40k square feet would use 24,935 gallons of water. My municipal water costs $21.40 per 100 cubic feet (748 gallons). That means a single watering would cost $710. No thanks.
My 5000 irrigated square feet is much easier.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Wow, that's nearly 3 cents per gallon - even watering a vegetable garden could get expensive!
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Yes, it's ridiculous. You used to be able to get two meters, one for the house and one for the irrigation system. Why? Because that $21.40 cost is $10.00 for the water, and $11.40 for the sewer. They assume everything goes in the sewer. If you have a separate meter for your hose/irrigation, you cost gets cut by 53%. I was told dual meters are no longer allowed, and getting a real answer on this is taking the very efficient government a long time to answer.ken-n-nancy wrote: ↑September 21st, 2020, 10:48 amWow, that's nearly 3 cents per gallon - even watering a vegetable garden could get expensive!
And yes, my first quarterly bill after irrigating a small portion of my lawn, and the garden was pretty damn expensive.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Geez!!! I pay around $2 per 1000 gallons.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
First year participant in the aggressive Fall nitrogen regimen. Having experienced a lackluster summer with much fungus pressure I woke up the lawn 21 days ago with an milorganite feeding and completed two urea applications, initial results looked promising, I had also increased my irrigation frequency to about three times per week just to be safe about not burning the lawn. That was a mistake. I noticed today a sudden increase in fungus pressure -- looks like brown patch. I have avoided using fungicides this year and thought with the cooler temperatures I would not have to but now my hand seems to be forced. I searched the Fall Nitrogen forum and did not notice too much about fungus pressure this time of the year. Based on today's images am I missing something? Thank you in advance for your thoughts!
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
The material in this thread is exactly what it says it is: a Fall Nitrogen Regimen set. It was not written to be, and doesn't pretend to cover everything that can happen to a lawn in the Fall. Fungal issues are probably less common in the Fall, and certainly no higher than other seasons.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
So Andy, in my area, we have had very little rain for the last three months - maybe 1.5 inches from memory. I was fortunate to get an application of 1/2lb/K urea down on 08/29 just before we got about half of that total. It hasn't rained since, and while long-term precipitation forecasts are meaningless, there is no rain forecast for two weeks.
So I am trying to figure out how to approach the fall nitrogen regimen on non-irrigated parts of the lawn during this time. I know that urea needs to be watered in and all the risks with relying on forecast rain, etc.
I'm trying to clear up some confusion I have about your earlier post in having no experience applying nitrogen during a drought.
Were you saying that you wouldn't apply until you were certain the drought was over?
I guess what I am asking is, if I knew with near certainty that I was getting an inch of rain tomorrow, would you apply nitrogen, or since we are still far below normal rainfall, would you wait until even more rain came? If I get an inch of rain tomorrow, apply urea, and then there is no rain for a month, am I risking more damage by applying urea?
And if we get to November and we haven't had any rain and I haven't applied any more urea for the entire fall, I guess I would just apply earlier than normal in the spring?
My grass needs to be mowed every six days right now, but it still hasn't fully greened up...meaning the greenest parts of the lawn aren't as green as they can be, and I have some parts that still haven't woken up, and some that died outright.
So I am trying to figure out how to approach the fall nitrogen regimen on non-irrigated parts of the lawn during this time. I know that urea needs to be watered in and all the risks with relying on forecast rain, etc.
I'm trying to clear up some confusion I have about your earlier post in having no experience applying nitrogen during a drought.
Were you saying that you wouldn't apply until you were certain the drought was over?
I guess what I am asking is, if I knew with near certainty that I was getting an inch of rain tomorrow, would you apply nitrogen, or since we are still far below normal rainfall, would you wait until even more rain came? If I get an inch of rain tomorrow, apply urea, and then there is no rain for a month, am I risking more damage by applying urea?
And if we get to November and we haven't had any rain and I haven't applied any more urea for the entire fall, I guess I would just apply earlier than normal in the spring?
My grass needs to be mowed every six days right now, but it still hasn't fully greened up...meaning the greenest parts of the lawn aren't as green as they can be, and I have some parts that still haven't woken up, and some that died outright.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
I am glad I am not the only one in the drought predicament. That said, Mine rebounded a little with steady feeding of milorganite, but normally strong areas look a little frail. Been a weird summer...
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Updates have been made to this nearly-60 page thread, as tomorrow is August 15th and the first activities of the Fall Nitrogen Regimens begin to call for action(s).
Obviously, no one is going to read the entire 60 pages of material, but reading the first page or two really lays out a synopsis of a program for maximizing the results of your all-important Fall Season time and money.
The alarm clock is ringing - it's time for both the lawn and the lawn owner to come out of dormancy and get things in gear!!!
PS: if you're relatively new to the site, I personally think that this time period and this approach is the most important thing that you can do to your lawn in the entire year.
Obviously, no one is going to read the entire 60 pages of material, but reading the first page or two really lays out a synopsis of a program for maximizing the results of your all-important Fall Season time and money.
The alarm clock is ringing - it's time for both the lawn and the lawn owner to come out of dormancy and get things in gear!!!
PS: if you're relatively new to the site, I personally think that this time period and this approach is the most important thing that you can do to your lawn in the entire year.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
What’s everyone paying for urea this year? Just went and picked up two 50lb bags, one for me and one for my neighbor. $20 a bag. I didn’t buy any last year because we were selling our old house and moving into our new one, but the year before I think I paid around $14/bag. While $20 still isn’t “expensive” it is roughly a 45% increase in price. I’m guessing inflation and Covid pricing? Anyone else seeing similar increases?
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
$17.99 for me in Rosemount, MN
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
I bought some urea last week for $20, I think that is the same it was last year. I have twice applied Milorganite and once urea to my front 8k. That's small enough I can water it. It has been in the 90's here and no rain for almost two weeks, none on the forecast either. I'm glad last year was my renovation year. Thursday I plan to put down urea again 1lb per k on my front yard. I'm watering at the one inch per week rate.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Rain is not of concern for most of the Mid-Atlantic states or Southeastern so...yeah. Say hi to Nicholas. Post the last one, the soy from September is already rotted in and the grass is still a little squishy.
I'm faintly considering a mid-September boost of Milo.
I'm faintly considering a mid-September boost of Milo.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Thanks, Bolson.bolson32 wrote: ↑September 23rd, 2021, 9:01 pmFleugel's farm, it's a good old fashioned feed mill.
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