Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

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Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by northeastlawn » April 25th, 2017, 8:14 pm

I have read a few internet articles on POACure, but it seems quiet lately. I realize this product probably isn't even being studied for home use, but has anyone seen what the status of POACure is?

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Re: Status of POACure?

Post by Billy » April 25th, 2017, 9:30 pm

I'm not sure if the status, since that company was taking a really unconventional road to market. But, I don't think it would really be of interest in the lawn market anyhow. It transitions Poa out really slowly (results usually don't show up until the season after you apply it) and the price is around $5000 per 1000 sq ft. Xonerate would give much quicker control for a much lower price and it's available right now.

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Re: Status of POACure?

Post by northeastlawn » April 26th, 2017, 12:38 pm

> It transitions Poa out really slowly (results usually don't show up until the season after you apply it) and the price is around $5000 per 1000 sq ft.

So much for the home market.

The tenacity I used last year combined with a summer pre-m didn't work as good as I liked last year. A few things I read made it seem like POACure might be the magic bullet for POA. It seems it allowed you to attack the POA while you were over-seeding in the fall.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by andy10917 » February 17th, 2020, 1:46 pm

There has been a major update in the status of PoaCure (Methiozolin).

The product has gained unconditional registration (federal level) for use on golf courses. State-level approvals are coming in, and expected to be completed by April, 2020. The product has been used experimentally for numerous years at golf courses, with good results.

The product controls Poa Annua (both annual and perennial varieties) and Poa Trivialis. It is very slow-acting.

It is not currently permitted for sale or use in anything other than golf courses. However, the company that created it (in Korea) stated that it intends to work to get it to sports-field use, sod farms and "other areas".

It's not a product that even if it eventually made to residential use is for everyone - while the cost came down significantly at release (from $3500 for an unknown amount of sq ft) to $250 for 16 ounces, which is enough of the product to treat a 4400 sq ft green six times (this is not a one-and-done application thing).

Still, it could be a product for the craziest of the crazies, some day in some way...

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by TimmyG » February 17th, 2020, 2:28 pm

Thanks for the update.


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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by Green » February 19th, 2020, 8:36 pm

Thanks for posting. I haven't been following this at all, as it's basically taken longer than people thought it might (by several years). Good to hear that the US trials went well, though. It seems 17 states currently have approval for use on golf turf, and the April deadline is good, because it will soon be allowed on golf turf in all (or most) states. I guess after golf, they will try to get approval for use on either sod or sports turf. I would guess it will eventually be allowed for use by professional applicators for home and commercial turf, but that could be quite a few years away. Assuming it makes it to non-restricted applicators eventually (at least that's the term my state uses for homeowners or others without applicator licenses), it will be a useful tool for those who have battled Triv for years and don't want their turf to revert back again from spreading or new plants from contaminated seed. The high cost per bottle will be worth it, honestly. I read the product label, and the use restrictions on use don't seem to be anything out of the ordinary for specialty herbicides, either. It also sounds like it mostly transitions out the undesirable Poa in a period of several months. That's actually pretty amazing. We'll have to keep following this and read the reports of the golf turf people. If it's available to buy in 15 years, great...but I'm not holding my breath, either.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » February 24th, 2020, 1:08 pm

Interesting product. I've seen lots of people take multiple seasons to erradicate poa annua, so even if it took a whole season, I can still see that helping in the long run by shaving off seasons, not months.

Nonetheless, that pricepoint is a pretty big barrier!

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by northeastlawn » March 2nd, 2020, 4:57 pm

I have about 2,000sf, $250 would be OK to finally get rid of POA Annua.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by Green » March 3rd, 2020, 6:55 pm

[quote=northeastlawn post_id=338454 time=1583182674 user_id=5185]
I have about 2,000sf, $250 would be OK to finally get rid of POA Annua.
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Agreed for Triv. And a lot less invasive than Riundup multiple times.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by wis99ski » March 22nd, 2020, 8:45 pm

I haven’t been around in a while but to have a Triv alternative to glypho is incredible news. The amount of hours alone spent of home turf maintenance, at this price point is valuable - especially those who are past the point of control without wanting to re-do another reno.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by wis99ski » April 24th, 2020, 9:27 pm

I’m ready!
Dr. Shawn D. Askew at Virginia Tech has been testing PoaCure on Kentucky bluegrass fairway heavily infested with Poa annua and Poa trivialis.

Summary:

1. PoaCure spring application alone controlled Poa annua very well, but was not very effective to Poa trivialis.

2. PoaCure split applied to spring and fall, or fall applications alone with higher rate provided excellent control of Poa annua and Poa triv.

3. PoaCure spring application with addition of primisulfuron also gave a good control of Poa triv.

3. Poa triv. did not come back over years in PoaCure applied plots, but in his previousy tests with Velocity etc, Poa triv came back.

For full video directly explained by Dr. Askew, download and view it @

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqLYUa6iygg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92z1uQY2juE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqLYUa6iygg

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by wis99ski » April 24th, 2020, 9:56 pm

The split application 2 in the spring 2 in fall with primisulfuron seems to be the ticket.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by napper » April 24th, 2020, 9:58 pm

I'm going to try and get a bottle of poacure.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by northeastlawn » April 24th, 2020, 10:11 pm

Not available in MA; even if I was a golf course, maybe next spring :-(

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by Pway » April 25th, 2020, 10:32 am

Thanks for the update, Wis! this is exciting for sure!

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by wis99ski » April 26th, 2020, 2:27 pm

I gave up on the other methods to eradicate Triv from KBG. I.e Certainty etc. etc.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by napper » April 27th, 2020, 10:13 pm

Has anyone scored a bottle of poacure yet?

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by Pway » July 23rd, 2020, 1:24 pm

I just wanted to pass along a conversation I had with our golf course grounds superintendent yesterday. He purchased Poacure and did a trial run on a fairway that had Poa trivialis in it. He is extremely happy with the results and this was just from an application a couple months ago. I checked the area out myself and can confirm the results. As has been stated here, it is not cheap and not currently available except for golf courses and sod farms but let’s hope the residential usage gets approved in a year or two.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by Green » July 23rd, 2020, 11:28 pm

Pway, good info. Most likely residential lawn approval, if it happens, is some time away. This is my first time following this sort of thing, so I don't know how others have played out. But when it comes, it'll probably be super expensive as well. But let's give it time and keep following the results from golf. Hopefully sod farms get approval next.

Thank you very much, and please stay in touch with the golf super, and keep updating us on any further results.

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Re: Status of POACure? (Updated 02/2020 below)

Post by andy10917 » July 24th, 2020, 7:26 am

In my experience of trying to convert professional experiences into regimens for residential use, I've had a much higher success rate converting sports field practices than sod farms and golf courses - I believe that is due to the fact that golf courses and sod farms are using artificial soil and amendment practices that don't translate as well to the residential scenario.

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