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Holganix

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » October 2nd, 2013, 11:41 am

Someone recommended this product to me.

It looks similar to our Kelp Help / BLSC soil conditionner, but with a bunch more stuff, but can be had in granular form.

Not sure if the granular is worth the convenience of not having to mix or not, or if the other stuff is really that much more awesome.

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Re: Holganix

Post by txlawnrookie » October 2nd, 2013, 12:10 pm

I have been watching a thread on another site about holganix. From what I can gather, it is not worth it from what I've read.

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Re: Holganix

Post by lawnrat » October 2nd, 2013, 2:35 pm

The liquid concentration needs to be refrigerated. Used it when it first came out and actually meet the ceo of company which he gave me a tour of facitily .Basically its a compost tea. I have seen the same and if not better results from kelp help ect.

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Re: Holganix

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » October 2nd, 2013, 4:48 pm

I'm particularly interested in Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizae it contains - which I was told really helps root mass.

However, Endo Mycorrhizae is $55 / lb :shock:

That's pretty dog-gone expensive.

It looks like a Kelp Help + Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizae + Yucca + a bunch of other things type concoction, which sounds pretty cool.

Maybe I need to experiment with a Kelp Help on steroids recipe to see if it comes out less expensive? The granular delivery does sound nice, particularly if you have to keep the liquid you might build in a DIY, self mixed, generic build refrigerated - it takes away the ability to make a larger batch up beforehand unless you have ample fridge space.

I can't upload it at the moment, but I was likewise sent a nice PDF with a bunch of pictures, some of which showing some impressive 13 inch roots in normal soil, and 10 inch roots in clay soil after use.

Very intriguing. I'll have to upload.

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Re: Holganix

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Re: Holganix

Post by UMCheez » November 6th, 2013, 6:35 pm

I remember seeing LCO talk about this on another forum. I think most felt that SumaGrow was easier to use (no refrigeration), had better results, and was cheaper overall.


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Re: Holganix

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » November 6th, 2013, 11:44 pm

He said they have a granularized version but the liquid is better. Interesting.

Anyways, I can get the Holganix at a decent price.

I wonder if you could do sumagrow AND Holganix?????

The experimentation never ends...

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Re: Holganix

Post by Charley » November 6th, 2013, 11:56 pm

Who is "he" and where is a source for the Holganix?

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Re: Holganix

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » November 7th, 2013, 12:37 am

Charley wrote:Who is "he" and where is a source for the Holganix?

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Re: Holganix

Post by nothing0 » November 8th, 2013, 12:00 am

Did he talk about retail price for any of the products?

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Re: Holganix

Post by kevreh » November 8th, 2013, 3:34 pm

BTW, the Organic Store on ebay has mycorrhizae, endo and ecto if I'm correct.

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Post by HoosierLawnGnome » November 8th, 2013, 3:40 pm

kevreh wrote:BTW, the Organic Store on ebay has mycorrhizae, endo and ecto if I'm correct.
They do - but they aren't cheap either!

I was thinking about doing my own sort of "home brew" experiment

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Re: Holganix

Post by kevreh » November 8th, 2013, 8:10 pm

You know, I was thinking of an indoor controlled experiment over the winter, maybe using t5 bulbs. Problem is there's too many things to test. But to your threads topic, an A B test with one pot using minimal input and the other using micros would be cool.

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Post by andy10917 » November 8th, 2013, 8:51 pm

BTW, the Organic Store on ebay has mycorrhizae, endo and ecto if I'm correct.
This is one of the few cases where I recommend considering the more expensive (typically) products...

You can't really compare a no-name collection of microbes with the named strains that are in some of the top products. Named strains are up to 1000X better at certain jobs, as they were selectively bred to do that specific task. It's sort of like whether you want to have a few retired donut-eating cops or Seal Team Six be the members of your security force.

It's also not anywhere near a one-and-done. Over time, the named strains ("Seal Team Six") interbreed with the local natural microbe population (think donuts) and lose that Delta Force edge. New Seal Team Six members need to be brought in (until they get a taste for donuts, too)...

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Re: Holganix

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » November 8th, 2013, 9:08 pm

Named strains are up to 1000X better at certain jobs, as they were selectively bred to do that specific task.
Well, I def want the baddest, nastiest, most verile bacteria knocking up my lawn's microbes and breeding out the undesireable fungi, andy! :rotfl:

So, what you're saying is buy the brand name (such as Holganix) vs try a home brew with the same named components?

I wonder if anybody's tried to make a brew out of a leftover compost tea yet.... :confused: :D

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Re: Holganix

Post by kevreh » November 8th, 2013, 9:09 pm

andy10917 wrote:
BTW, the Organic Store on ebay has mycorrhizae, endo and ecto if I'm correct.
This is one of the few cases where I recommend considering the more expensive (typically) products...

You can't really compare a no-name collection of microbes with the named strains that are in some of the top products. Named strains are up to 1000X better at certain jobs, as they were selectively bred to do that specific task. It's sort of like whether you want to have a few retired donut-eating cops or Seal Team Six be the members of your security force.

It's also not anywhere near a one-and-done. Over time, the named strains ("Seal Team Six") interbreed with the local natural microbe population (think donuts) and lose that Delta Force edge. New Seal Team Six members need to be brought in (until they get a taste for donuts, too)...


Good to know, any sources of the Seal Team Six, lol, you recomend or would order from?

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Post by andy10917 » November 8th, 2013, 9:19 pm

Sorry, guys -- I don't mean to insult you, but this sounds like a search for "just tell me the name of <Miracle-In-A-Bag>".

There is no such thing. There are "Seal Team Six" products for foliar applications against bad fungus, others for soil-based fungus control, others for helping with root colonization, and blah and blah. There is no one-size-fits-all.

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Re: Holganix

Post by turf_toes » November 8th, 2013, 9:37 pm

andy10917 wrote:
BTW, the Organic Store on ebay has mycorrhizae, endo and ecto if I'm correct.
This is one of the few cases where I recommend considering the more expensive (typically) products...

You can't really compare a no-name collection of microbes with the named strains that are in some of the top products. Named strains are up to 1000X better at certain jobs, as they were selectively bred to do that specific task. It's sort of like whether you want to have a few retired donut-eating cops or Seal Team Six be the members of your security force.

It's also not anywhere near a one-and-done. Over time, the named strains ("Seal Team Six") interbreed with the local natural microbe population (think donuts) and lose that Delta Force edge. New Seal Team Six members need to be brought in (until they get a taste for donuts, too)...
I used to know a couple of guys who were in Delta Force. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. But until I see a couple of bearded (They all have beards) microbes packing H&K MP5's with silencers, I'm going to ignore this thread. :)



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Re: Holganix

Post by HoosierLawnGnome » November 8th, 2013, 9:44 pm

andy10917 wrote:Sorry, guys -- I don't mean to insult you, but this sounds like a search for "just tell me the name of <Miracle-In-A-Bag>".
Nah ;) Nobody's asking anybody for magic fungi.

Was recommended these microbes as beneficial by someone with a great lawn that does turf for a living - so I found a source for them. He wasn't selling them as some sort of magic bean. :)

What do you call a mushroom that buys all the drinks? A fun guy to be with!

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Re: Holganix

Post by andy10917 » November 8th, 2013, 9:53 pm

I'm sure he wasn't. Holganix is a good product, but I don't like the refrigeration and relatively-short shelf life. And I didn't say that the no-names had no value -- I was trying to say don't think that a tested, named variety of Bacillus subtilis (strain QST 713) in Serenade is the same as a random product from EBAY -- just cheaper.

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