Fall Nitrogen Regimens
- laadams85
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
I like to save my milorganite for right before my neighbors have parties. That and putting down SOP/MAP. It's been weekly apps of urea lately.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
In case anyone missed it like me, the original post clarifies this:rlb wrote:What should we be looking for in a winterizing product? You said in previous posts that a synthetic should be used, and that most of today's urea is synthetic. So can we consider a final app or urea as a winterizer?
"Apply the Winterizer as fast-release Urea or AS, all at once. The application should be 1 lb/K of Nitrogen which is a tiny bit more than 2 lbs/K of 46-0-0 Urea. Burning is much less-likely as top-growth will have ceased."
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
This is .5 lb of nitrogen weekly, correct? Or weekly applications for a total of .5lb?For those that want to really be aggressive about Fall Nitrogen fertilization, and don't mind the extra application work, pure (fast-release) Urea or Ammonium Sulfate fertilizer can be applied weekly to deliver about 0.5 lbs/K of Nitrogen. For Urea, this is right about 1 lb/K of 46-0-0 Urea.
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- laadams85
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Yes, weekly applications of 0.5lb/k of fast release nitrogen. If using urea, thats about 1 lb/k of urea every week.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
OK thanks! I'd rather have a silly question than a dead lawn.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Be very careful watering in urea. I must have not watered enough in a few spots along sidewalk and now it looks fried.
I assume it's toast.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
You should not have frying if you even made a single (overlap) mistake at 1 lb/K Urea (0.46 lbs/K N). 1/4" of water is all that is needed.
The whole idea of the 1 lb/K Urea is safety, and tolerance of a single mistake.
The whole idea of the 1 lb/K Urea is safety, and tolerance of a single mistake.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
That's what I thought too. It's been relatively dry here so maybe I'm not watering enough.
I have a postal scale and I weight the urea and I'm dead on at 1 lb. urea (1/2 lb nitro..) per k.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
I was able to dissolve 3.5# in to 2.5 gallons shake well and often.BoatDr wrote:Or something in a pre-em? Anyone have an idea on how much urea will easily go into how much water ? I deal I small amounts.jglongisland wrote:The weather is cooling off now, this week would be a good time to get the first drop down.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
HA! I came to the thread to ask this question, you read my mind! You are a wizard.andy10917 wrote:1/4" of water is all that is needed.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
I am due to put down some SOP. Is it okay to put it down with the Urea?
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
What's the best way to apply it? Broadcast or drop spreader? I know drop provides more accuracy, but it would seem a broadcast would be better at preventing lines/hiding overlaps since it provides a feathered edge? Opinions?
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Yep, that's exactly what the fertilizer companies do in their pre-mixed products..... Just obviously make sure you're applying the right amounts I like to do this myself for precise control about what's going down. I don't have time to sift through the different prill in a 50 lb bag........fmzip wrote:I am due to put down some SOP. Is it okay to put it down with the Urea?
I use a hand spreader (broadcast). I took a sharpie and put a line for a few different pound. Scoop, and then take a walk. I can have a urea application done in < 10 minutes on my whole lawn without breaking a sweat or getting dirty. Wing tips and sport coat? Not a problem.What's the best way to apply it? Broadcast or drop spreader? I know drop provides more accuracy, but it would seem a broadcast would be better at preventing lines/hiding overlaps since it provides a feathered edge? Opinions?
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Thanks Scott.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Does anybody know of a good source for urea in Central Mass? I picked up a 50lb bag at John Deere/Lesco for $45 last week. The price seemed high based on other posts here. I called around to a couple of Agway's in the area. One has only 4lb bags for $12. Another told me they stopped selling it a few years back when they were required to collect the names and addresses of anyone buying it.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Down here Agway will order it for you if they don't have it in stock. Keep in mind it is used as an ice-melt as well. The Agway here in Nassau County gets it by the pallet in November for sale to the heliports in Manhattan.lancasterlawn wrote:Does anybody know of a good source for urea in Central Mass? I picked up a 50lb bag at John Deere/Lesco for $45 last week. The price seemed high based on other posts here. I called around to a couple of Agway's in the area. One has only 4lb bags for $12. Another told me they stopped selling it a few years back when they were required to collect the names and addresses of anyone buying it.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
Great article and excellent recommendations, Andy. The weather has definitely started to turn cool here in NE Indiana, and my lawn has definitely entered turf menopause. Some questions come to mind maybe they are rhetorical more than anything else/.
I wonder why I never noticed it before? Surely it happens every year, but this is the first time I recall taking note. And there surely is a widespread amount of browning in my lawn.
How come my lawn seems to be worse than those of my neighbors? I definitely take care of my lawn during the season orders of magnitude more than theirs, including irrigation to prevent dormancy.
Finally, I am surprised not to be able to find any information about this phenomenon anywhere else but here. It is very odd to me, because even I, a doubting Thomas, can confirm that it is happening. Now I await the reawakening!
I wonder why I never noticed it before? Surely it happens every year, but this is the first time I recall taking note. And there surely is a widespread amount of browning in my lawn.
How come my lawn seems to be worse than those of my neighbors? I definitely take care of my lawn during the season orders of magnitude more than theirs, including irrigation to prevent dormancy.
Finally, I am surprised not to be able to find any information about this phenomenon anywhere else but here. It is very odd to me, because even I, a doubting Thomas, can confirm that it is happening. Now I await the reawakening!
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
lancasterlawn wrote:Does anybody know of a good source for urea in Central Mass? I picked up a 50lb bag at John Deere/Lesco for $45 last week. The price seemed high based on other posts here. I called around to a couple of Agway's in the area. One has only 4lb bags for $12. Another told me they stopped selling it a few years back when they were required to collect the names and addresses of anyone buying it.
Try here - http://www.valleygreenusa.com/locations-sales-reps/
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
oze, is this after you cut the lawn? I'm getting something similar but I'm only seeing it when I cut the lawn. Once the grass grows back out a little it's nice and green again. I think this is a combination of brown blades down low (BBDL) and perennial rye that when dormant/died. It could be only an issue for Northern Mix Lawns (NoMix), hard to say.
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Re: Fall Nitrogen Regimens
I'd suggest starting an "improve my lawn" type thread in the cool season forum, because this is something that requires a lot of specifics.How come my lawn seems to be worse than those of my neighbors? I definitely take care of my lawn during the season orders of magnitude more than theirs, including irrigation to prevent dormancy.
Personally, I'd get a soil test from Logan Labs in the early spring next year, as soon as the ground thaws, then post it here. If your grass is already going dormant, there isn't much left to do for it this fall other than winterize properly (which will REALLY help it next year!).
The soil test will help you focus your efforts on giving the grass what it needs, and adjusting the conditions that help it grow optimally.
Get a good pre-emergent down when the forsythia blooms this coming spring to prevent weeds.
Look into the watering practices - deep and infrequent. If you're doing light and regular, your grass will be more prone to heat stress with shallower roots.
Anyways - in your thread, detail your maintenance habits, fertilization practices, weed prevention techniques, etc - there are lots of people that love to help here!!!
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