Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Kentucky bluegrass, Fescue, Rye and Bent, etc
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Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by dlukac » April 19th, 2016, 11:06 am

We purchased this home 5 years ago and the past 2 years I have been spending more time getting the lawn in shape. My front lawn should easily be in the running for neighborhood lawn of the year but my back yard seems to be a different blend of grass than my front (KBG/PR). I regularly mow at 3" after my first cut and have noticed that the grass wants to lie down (it did the same thing last year as well). Nothing I seem to be able to do will get the grass to stand up. I don't think it is because of foot traffic due to the irregular patterns. What can I do to get the grass to stand tall? Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.


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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by fusebox7 » April 19th, 2016, 11:36 am

Looks like fine fescue to me (likes to lay down when taller). The "swirling" pattern is a good indication of that grass type. It can be mowed shorter but I think maybe what you're asking is how you mow it shorter if it's all laying down. That I am not sure about. I have fine fescue in my mix but it's always been maintained between 2-3". That picture sure looks like the grass is longer than 3".

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by dlukac » April 19th, 2016, 11:43 am

Correct the grass that lays down is longer because it doesn't get cut

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by llO0DQLE » April 19th, 2016, 11:44 am

Looks like my fine fescue that I killed.

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by LoneRanger » April 19th, 2016, 9:39 pm

Ya it is way taller than 3 inches. Maybe try lowering to 2" and go back to 3", after it recovers? Also, try lightly raking and mowing at 3" every other day for a week or so.


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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by ligrass » April 19th, 2016, 10:25 pm

No offense but I just can't get over how ugly that grass is. Are you considering a reno in the future? Try giving it a boost of N to perk it up a bit.
I don't know if there's some Triv in there or not, but one of the worst characteristics of Triv is how it lays down similar to that. You could mow and not touch a blade of it.

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by bpgreen » April 19th, 2016, 10:51 pm

ligrass wrote:No offense but I just can't get over how ugly that grass is. Are you considering a reno in the future? Try giving it a boost of N to perk it up a bit.
I don't know if there's some Triv in there or not, but one of the worst characteristics of Triv is how it lays down similar to that. You could mow and not touch a blade of it.
If it's fine fescue, it probably doesn't need N. Fine fescue has very low nitrogen needs.

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by Tsmith » April 19th, 2016, 11:02 pm

If it's laying down and isn't getting cut when you mow try raking it lightly to get it to stand up so it can be cut. Might also want to try going lower than usual just to get it cut then maintain it at 3" to prevent it from falling over again.


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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by llO0DQLE » April 20th, 2016, 12:07 am

That was my experience with my Creeping Red Fescue.. you have to keep it 3" or less otherwise it flops down and creates swirls and is hard to mow. I'd have to rake it if it got too long so I can mow it properly and may require a few passes. It was a pain in the but so I killed it.

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by optimus2 » April 20th, 2016, 4:31 am

Maybe you could use some high lift mower blades? That may help the grass stand up a bit for a nice clean cut.

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by northeastlawn » April 20th, 2016, 6:52 am

Do you switch up your pattern when you cut?

Switch up your cutting pattern, I will rotate what direction I cut at every time.

I had something like that last year when I over-seeded and let the existing grass get too long because I was trying to protect the seedlings. The fast growing rye was laying down all the time, cutting it down to 2.5" and cutting from different directions every week solved the problem.

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by LoneRanger » April 20th, 2016, 9:39 am

optimus2 wrote:Maybe you could use some high lift mower blades? That may help the grass stand up a bit for a nice clean cut.
High-lift blades? You'd need a shop vac for that mat.

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by Mr. Met » April 20th, 2016, 10:58 am

use a blower to fluff it up before you mow, that's if you have a blower or use a rake like somebody else stated

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by JHazzardB » April 20th, 2016, 2:13 pm

I kinda like the quirkiness of it. It reminds me of Van Gogh's Starry Night!

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by TimmyG » April 20th, 2016, 6:05 pm

JHazzardB wrote:I kinda like the quirkiness of it. It reminds me of Van Gogh's Starry Night!
Or Donald Trump.

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by schreibdave » April 20th, 2016, 7:01 pm

When I see grass laying down like that, I think "triv." If you grab a handfull and pull it up do you get long stringy white roots that stretch 12- inches or more?

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by dlukac » April 21st, 2016, 1:36 pm

schreibdave wrote:When I see grass laying down like that, I think "triv." If you grab a handfull and pull it up do you get long stringy white roots that stretch 12- inches or more?
not really. The roots seem to be very shallow. See photos (quarter for scale)

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by dlukac » April 21st, 2016, 2:00 pm

Tsmith wrote:If it's laying down and isn't getting cut when you mow try raking it lightly to get it to stand up so it can be cut. Might also want to try going lower than usual just to get it cut then maintain it at 3" to prevent it from falling over again.
Right i do a different pattern every 4th cut (north/south, east/west, diagonal 2x), so it does get cut. I've tried using a steel tine leaf rake and it still won't stand vertical. I'll try mowing lower and see if that gets some of it.

I may be looking at a fall reno for this section of my yard.

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by dlukac » April 21st, 2016, 2:01 pm

TimmyG wrote:
JHazzardB wrote:I kinda like the quirkiness of it. It reminds me of Van Gogh's Starry Night!
Or Donald Trump.
or a really bad movie like human centipede

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Re: Why doesn't my grass stand up?

Post by Mr. Met » April 21st, 2016, 2:07 pm

looks like fine fescue

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